键盘侠你要说把浓眉或利拉德换成魔兽没有吧友会喷你

大范甘迪近日说起了他对霍华德落选NBA 75大球星的看法。

大范甘迪说：“不管他是因为什么原因而落选的，其中肯定有一些超出篮球范畴的因素。还有人会问我‘你觉得霍华德能不能进名人堂？’，霍华德能不能进名人堂？你是在搞笑吗？”

随后，大范甘迪历数了霍华德取得的成就和荣誉，又补充道：“去查查，有多少人能做到这些”。

大范甘迪2007年起执教魔术5个赛季，其中2008-09赛季，带领以霍华德领军的魔术队打入总决赛。2012年，据报道霍华德与主帅大范甘迪关系紧张，常规赛结束前的一次采访中，大范直接向记者们抱怨，“霍华德希望我下课。”赛季结束后，魔术炒掉了大范。同年8月，霍华德加盟湖人。

[–]WarriorsKlonomania 5256 points 13 hours ago

Anyone who questions Dwight Howard's status as a Hall of Famer should be legally forced to watch every single one of the first 750 career games played by him.

勇士球迷：谁要质疑霍华德的名人堂身份，就应该依法强令他看完魔兽职业生涯的前750场比赛，一场不落！

[–]LakersHughGRextion 1100 points 13 hours ago

they’re basically seeing a repeat of it right now tho and they love it lol

湖人球迷：那他们现在可能已经在二刷了，欲罢不能，哈哈

[–]GoatMang23 1239 points 12 hours ago

I might get roasted for this, but if Kobe were in LeBron’s exact same position right now, we would all be absolutely certain the Lakers will not win the championship. But somehow, I think many of us hold a small fear or hope that LeBron could somehow make it happen. That’s a key difference and why I’d place LeBron ahead of Kobe all time. Sorry for the serious response.

球迷：我这么说可能要被喷，但我认为如果湖人眼下的阵容保持不变，只把詹姆斯换成科比，那我们所有人都能百分百确定湖人根本不可能夺冠。可因为詹姆斯在，所以不少人都有了詹姆斯真能带湖人夺冠的些许顾虑或期寄。这就是两人的关键差别，所以在我心中，詹姆斯的历史排名高于科比。回复得有点严肃了，抱歉

[–]FabioPisano 460 points 13 hours ago

Bro no one thinks Lakers can win shit lmao

球迷：笑死了，哥们你想太多，现在没人觉得湖人能夺冠

[–]76ersBarry_McCocciner 187 points 11 hours ago

And yet Lebron once took a team of Big Z, Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden and Daniel Gibson to the finals.

76人球迷：可是詹姆斯一度带着大Z、拉里-休斯、德鲁-古登和丹尼尔-吉布森就打进了总决赛。

[–][CHI] Brian ScalabrineCoachDT 135 points 11 hours ago

Honestly that’s impressive but what’s even more impressive was him strong together back to back 60+ win seasons with the Cavs. Dude still managed to win over 60 games with a like 33 year old Antwan Jamison as his best player.

公牛球迷：U1S1，这确实让人印象深刻，但更让人难忘的是詹姆斯带领骑士连续两个赛季60+胜场。当时身边最强的帮手就是33岁的安托万-贾米森而已，可还是拿到了60＋胜场。

[–]Trust The ProcessSkythewood 386 points 12 hours ago

If A.D. comes back, and they run proper sets like mismatch hunting, not westbrook iso. That should raise their chances to maybe 3%

球迷：如果浓眉伤愈归来后，他们能打出合理的战术，比如多创造错位机会，别都TM让威少一打一。那么，他们夺冠的几率应该能提高到3%左右

[–]Blltxs 269 points 13 hours ago

I'm an old man who remembers when bron v Dwight was a legitimate debate

球迷：像我这样的老球迷都记得魔兽是那个能单换詹姆斯的男人

[–][ORL] Nick AndersonCC_Kyoraku 91 points 13 hours ago

Prime D-12 was an absolute beast.

魔术球迷：巅峰霍华德是绝对的野兽！

[–][CHI] Derrick Rosejeric13xd 2204 points 14 hours ago

I know its been a long time ago but it’s refreshing to see Stan isn’t holding a grudge and talking shit about Dwight. That’s not always the case with these rough break ups

公牛球迷：我知道事情已经过去很久了，但看到大范没有怀恨在心，没有说霍华德的坏话，还是让人欣慰。毕竟分手时那么难堪，还能这样可不常见。

[–]BucksHard_Strokes233 660 points 14 hours ago

George Karl and Melo, and tbh a few other former players of his

雄鹿球迷：想想乔治-卡尔和甜瓜，老实说，还有他执教过的一些其他球员

[–]TennisShoulder 528 points 14 hours ago

Karl seems like the common link

球迷：卡尔是拉仇恨的共同纽带

[–]Copperbae 97 points 14 hours ago

Takes a bigger man then me. Imagine you find out your hotshot coworker is going behind your back trying to get you fired. Then you all make a public appearance and the same coworker is telling everybody (with a fake ass smile and a hand around you) that everything is all good and you guys are great.

It's still refreshing that Stan can respect Dwight and what they did for each other.

球迷：大范甘迪做事比我爷们。想象一下，你身边一个前途无量的同事在背后搞你，要把你炒掉。然后在公开场合，这个同事却告诉别人（和你勾肩搭背，一脸做作的假笑）你们俩之间啥事没有，关系融洽。大范对霍华德的尊重以及他们对彼此做的事确实是让人耳目一新。

[–]Cavalierscrispyiress 199 points 14 hours ago

I think he’s been around players enough to know they come into the league as kids with tons of money and power. Dwight has matured and went from eating unlimited candy to being vegan. No point in holding a grudge when the man has grown into a better person.

骑士球迷：我想大范对这些球员太了解了，他们进联盟时，年纪轻轻却都已腰缠万贯，应者如云。霍华德已经变得成熟了，从一个爱吃糖无节制的人变成了一个素食主义者。一个人若已成长为更好的人，没必要再心存怨恨。

[–][PHI] Eric Snowgustriandos 510 points 15 hours ago

the league had no answers for 4 out around Dwight for a few years there. that was kind of the golden age of stretch 4s where they really helped on offense and didnt kill you too bad on d

76人球迷：有几年时间，整个联盟都对魔兽身边的四号位束手无策。那可以说是延伸四号位的黄金年代，他们在进攻端的作用巨大，只是在防守端没办法把对手限制死。

[–]MagicGamesgtd 296 points 15 hours ago

No stretch 4s still killed you on d. You didn't notice it in Orlando because Dwight Howard was like Rudy Gobert and could cover for everyone's weakness.

魔术球迷：没有任何延伸四号位能在防守端把对手限制死。在魔术队，你之所以没注意到这一点是因为霍华德就像戈贝尔一样，可以在防守端为所有队友擦屁股。

[–][CHI] Brian ScalabrineCoachDT 171 points 14 hours ago

The magics entire strategy defensively was just “kinda try and get them to go in Dwight’s direction” and it worked. It was absurd.

公牛球迷：魔术队在防守端的策略就是“把对手驱赶到魔兽面前”，一招鲜，却屡试不爽，这就离谱。

[–]76ersFoFoAndFo 93 points 14 hours ago*

Peak Howard >>>> Gobert. Gobert with the ability to guard the perimeter, swallowing guards who he got switched on to, neutering offenses in the regular season and the postseason where Gobert gets exposed. Also to score more with similar percentages without a good pick and roll creator in a slower, less efficient era.

If we valued defense properly Howard would’ve won an MVP over Rose, Bron Nash or Kobe and been considered at worst the second best player in the league.

76人球迷：巅峰魔兽>>>>戈贝尔。戈贝尔有防守外围的能力，甚至能换防后卫，不论常规赛还是季后赛，都能瓦解对方的进攻。但巅峰魔兽能够以类似的命中率得到更多分数，而他身边还没有一个善于挡拆的球员，还是在一个节奏更慢、效率更低的年代。

如果我们足够看重防守的话，霍华德本该拿走罗斯、詹姆斯或科比（纳什不行）的一座MVP奖杯，最次，他当时也应该被视作联盟的第二号人物。

[–]Cavaliersgen_wt_sherman 240 points 14 hours ago

They really ruined LeBrons first Cleveland Era. The year the magic beat them in the ECF the Cavs were built to beat the Celtics (who the magic beat in the semis). Then the next year the Cavs retool to beat the Magic and then they lose to the fucking Celtics again.

骑士球迷：那支魔术真的是毁掉了詹姆斯的第一个骑士时代。东部决赛输给魔术的骑士队本来是为了打败凯尔特人（东部半决赛被魔术干掉了）组建的。下一年，骑士重建，打败了魔术，但又一次倒在了可恶的凯尔特人脚下。

[–]PistonsKing_Artis 806 points 16 hours ago

SVG probably one of my favorite talking heads. Good guy and comes off genuine for the most part.

国王球迷：大范可能是我最爱的篮球评论员。是个好人，不会满嘴跑火车。

[–]NetsDHG23 273 points 16 hours ago

100%, I was watching a game that he was commentating for and I only just realised how charming he is when he talks, he's a fountain of knowledge and is happy to poke fun at his own expense.

篮网球迷：100%，看过一场他解说的比赛后，我才发现他说话时有多么魅力四射，简直文思如泉涌，而且也很乐意自嘲。

[–]76ersWhiteNoiseSports 174 points 16 hours ago

I honestly like JVG too but I can’t stand Mark Jackson’s commentating

76人球迷：我也喜欢小范，但我完全受不了马克-杰克逊的解说。

[–]BullsChiRose0ne 119 points 16 hours ago

JVG’s great when he’s not complaining about basketball. Which is sadly more often than not nowadays.

公牛球迷：小范不抱怨篮球的时候挺好的，可惜，他现在就是个祥林嫂。

[–]Pacersmewi43 694 points 16 hours ago

3x Defensive POY 8x All-Star 5x Rebound leader 2x Blk leader 8x All NBA 5x All Defense

Still Averages a Career Double Double 11th most career rebounds 1st among active players 9th most career Offensive Rebounds, 1st among active players

Need I go on

步行者球迷：3次最佳防守球员、8次入选全明星、5次篮板王、2次盖帽王、8次最佳阵容、5次最佳防守阵容，生涯平均数据依然是两双，生涯总篮板数历史第11现役第1，生涯总进攻篮板数历史第9现役第1……还需要我继续吗

[–]LakersOp3rat0rr 363 points 15 hours ago

But but did you see how poorly he played on the Lakers in 2013 when he had a back injury??

湖人球迷：但是，但是你没看到他背部受伤后，2013赛季在湖人打得有多烂？？

[–][PHO] Steve Nashyuhanz 141 points 14 hours ago

In which he still averaged 17/10

Horrible ft missed out on 1-2ppg

I’m so annoyed by the amount of hate he got. He deserved criticism but not by that much vitriol

太阳球迷：还是有17分/10篮板的平均数据。糟糕的罚球让场均得分少了1到2分。可他这么招人恨也是让我很不爽。他确实该被批评，可也不至于没完没了地挨喷。

[–]ClippersAngsMcgyvr 651 points 17 hours ago

Dwight was a HOF lock when he left Orlando.

快船球迷：魔兽离开魔术时已经锁定了一个名人堂席位。

[–]WarriorsBalls_of_Adamanthium 337 points 17 hours ago*

Prime Dwight is the most dominant big man since Shaq. There was nothing like it.

勇士球迷：巅峰魔兽是奥尼尔之后最具统治力的大个子，不做第二人想。

[–]DarkMagicianBabe 315 points 16 hours ago

Where he deserves to be in the top 75 is the question. But the fact fuckin AD and Dame made it on over him is such a joke. There are others but this sub doesn't rake you over the coals if you only say those two.

球迷：魔兽是否该入选75大巨星就算有疑问，可浓眉和利拉德入选了他没入选简直就离谱。75大巨星里，魔兽挤掉其他人可能有争议，可要说把浓眉或利拉德换成魔兽，没有吧友会喷你。

[–][MIA] Goran DragićBluexFlash 240 points 17 hours ago

I remember the old days when he was Superman on the Magic and one of the most beloved players in the league

热火球迷：曾几何时，他是魔术的超人，球迷最爱的NBA球员之一。

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